A big thanks to my friends, Kirk Visola and Andy Kurtts, for having me as a guest on their latest episode of The Kirk + Kurtts Design Podcast.

There are a lot of designers out there, but packaging nerds are a much smaller club. It’s a joyful thing when I get to speak to either one of these guys. Check out Kirk’s work at MIND THE FONT, and see what Andy has been up to at Buttermilk Creative.

Mostly, I want to thank the guys for making me forget that we were even being recorded, and to apologize to the listening public for any profanity. I had a great #@©%!^& time!